Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Youtube View Count Stuck.


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I've just checked that from last 10/12 days Youtube view count increasing is not working. Most probably they are not allowing to increase the view count using Proxy. Usually for any video it supposed to increase around 200 video views from one single IP per day. But I can see now changing the IP address using Proxy is not working.

What can be the reason? Anyone working on this at web? My guess is Youtube checks whether the IP came from any public proxy or not. That case they just stop counting the video view. I have tried for several days, and no luck. All time getting for a new video having views around 200-250.

Anyone can share his/her thoughts regarding this view count issues here.




30 comments:

autman1 said...

This was you tubes response to the view count problem.
March 3, 2009

Hi all,

We’ve made a change in our public-facing view counts across the site
that will enable us to consistently reflect what is considered a
'view,' based upon video consumption, video streaming and spam
filtering. This only affects view counts from February 25 moving
forward.

Implementing this change also caused view count updates to slow down a
bit in general; many people have noticed this and we're aware of the
issue.

Thanks,
- Timmy

I believe that this response is the problem. When Timmy said
Implementing this change also caused the view count updates to slow
down a bit in general; THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT ! The view count
STOPPED COMPLETELY. You tube could have come back and corrected itself
but decided to just sit on this statement, and ignore all of us. THIS
IS THE PROBLEM . YOU TUBE GET A PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT THAT
RESPONSE TO THE NEEDS OF THE SUBSCRIBERS.

The main goal of a public relations department is to enhance a
company’s reputation. Staff that work in public relations, or as it is
commonly known, PR, are skilled publicists. They are able to present a
company or individual to the world in the best light. The role of a
public relations department can be seen as a reputation protector.

The business world of today is extremely competitive. Companies need
to have an edge that makes them stand out from the crowd, something
that makes them more appealing and interesting to both the public and
the media. The public are the buyers of the product and the media are
responsible for selling it.

Public relations provide a service for the company by helping to give
the public and the media a better understanding of how the company
works. Within a company, public relations can also come under the
title of public information or customer relations. These departments
assist customers if they have any problems with the company. They are
usually the most helpful departments, as they exist to show the
company at their best.

PR also helps the company to achieve its full potential. They provide
feedback to the company from the public. This usually takes the form
of research regarding what areas the public is most happy and unhappy
with.

Also the public relations job is to make sure that a public out cry
does not hit the press. A good PR department would have monitored the
situation and made sure that You Tube communicates to the public to
keep the press out of this before it snow balls into a disaster. WELL
WE ARE IN A BIG FREEZE AND THE SNOW BALL IS ROLLING.
Neal

Read my article about this:
http://russcastella.com/russ-castella-vs-youtube/

We definitely want to take it to the press in hopes that YouTube will
actually fix these problems to avoid the negative publicity.

It has been 5 days since one of my video views started working again.
The other ones are still frozen. For the one that is working before
the freeze I was getting 200-250 views a day. My average now for the 5
days is 56.4 views a day. There is no way at this rate I will ever
catch up, or get back all my lost views.This was the best response I
ever had for a video in my life, and the first time and maybe the last
time I can try out for the biggest talent competition in the world.
America's Got Talent. They specifically ask me on my application if I
had any videos on the net.So that they could monitor them to see how
well we were doing. I have a neurological brain disorder and may not
be able to compete next year, or ever again. My dream of being a
singer could be lost forever. This view problem could not have
happened at a worst time. I'm so sad and depressed I could cry.
autman123

On Mar 10, 10:15 pm, autman123 wrote:

Wolf said...

Thanks Man, Its a life saver. I wasn't sure what actually wrong. But now I'm pretty sure that it's something going on at Youtube's End.

Still my video counts are frozen. Also interestingly I have seen many videos having Rating count around 300 but the view count is around 200. Its really funny i think. They needs to fix this shit ASAP.

I can remember few years back, I got error message from Youtube related server down. But they didn't release a single not related to that issue later on. I doubt whether youtube will say about it at their blog.

Its really un-professional so far i think.

Anonymous said...

This video has 369 ratings with 200 views....???? This is funny to see such kind of mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ys37GGhR_8

autman123 said...

YouTube wrote and I quote.

" Recently, we found spamming issues associated with the view counts
on
a small number of videos. The inflated view count number on these
videos will be frozen until actual views catch up to the published,
artificial, view count ".

This statement seems to say if your views are frozen you must be
cheating by spam filtering, video streaming,artificially
manipulating,or using third party view counts.Basically if your views
are frozen then you are a cheater and manipulator.

What if you did not do this ?

Is this slander and deformation of character. What if you did not do
this ?

Are we all guilty ?
Also YouTube Wrote

" Unfortunately, a few people still try to artificially
manipulate their video's view counts."

" Recently, we found spamming issues associated with the view counts on a small number of videos."
Why would YouTube punish 1000's of people If it is only a few videos ?.They have created a nightmare for themselves.
Here is the new post

YouTube Timmy Google employee
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From: YouTube Timmy
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Mar 13 2009 9:40 pm
Subject: An Update On Our View Counts
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Hi everyone,

An important message from the YouTube Team:

Video view counts reflect the YouTube community's interests and the
grassroots popularity of videos. We periodically make changes that
allow us to display consistent view counts and accurately reflect a
"real" view based on video consumption, video streaming and spam
filtering. Unfortunately, a few people still try to artificially
manipulate their video's view counts. Some people game third-party
view counts as well. That can make things unfair for everyone.

Recently, we found spamming issues associated with the view counts on
a small number of videos. The inflated view count number on these
videos will be frozen until actual views catch up to the published,
artificial, view count. Also, a few people have commented that their
view counts are updating more slowly. Occasionally the speed with
which views update changes -- sometimes it’s faster and sometimes it’s
slower. But we are always working to make sure that the final view
count numbers are an accurate reflection of the community's interest.

The YouTube Team

autman123 said...

This is You Tubes newest attempt to now try to do some damage control. now is the time they should be silent. They are making the hole deeper and deeper.

March 14th 3:58
Hi guys,
As stated in the announcement, some people game third-party view
counts as well.
Spam is not always generated by an uploader.

Also from the announcement:

The inflated view count number on these videos will be frozen until
actual views catch up to the published, artificial, view
count......But we are always working to make sure that the final view
count numbers are an accurate reflection of the community's interest.

After a video "unfreezes", the view count you're seeing is accurate,
and reflects the "real" views.

-Timmy

autman123 said...

You Tube is Trying to do some damage control.Spam is not always generated by an uploader.

Also from the announcement:
autman123
03/14/2009

Here is a new statement by YOU TUBE TIMMY

YouTube Timmy Google employee
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More options Mar 14, 3:58 pm
From: YouTube Timmy
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Mar 14 2009 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: YOU TUBE ACCUSES SUBSCRIBERS WITH FROZEN VIEWS OF SPAMMING
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Hi guys,

As stated in the announcement, some people game third-party view
counts as well.
Spam is not always generated by an uploader.

Also from the announcement:

The inflated view count number on these videos will be frozen until
actual views catch up to the published, artificial, view
count……But we are always working to make sure that the final view
count numbers are an accurate reflection of the community’s interest.

After a video “unfreezes”, the view count you’re seeing is accurate,
and reflects the “real” views.

-Timmy


CrazyViews
03/15/2009

I spoke to an editor at New York Times today, he told me they received “tons” of emails and calls already on this issue. He was slow to agree or take sides until he went online to read all the blog releases etc.

However, the one thing he DID agree with me on is that anybody who doesn’t like your content (say you post a Political, religious, gay, lesbian, lifestyle video etc.) could potentially pick you out and do a WAREZ against you with thousands of fraudulent hits. They would never be caught since this is done using programs that use anonymous proxies, but it could get the poster in trouble and even suspended. The other thing he pointed out is that …”How would YouTube prove that you actually rigged your own counts” .. Unless you are stupid enough to sit and click your own video all day from your own IP .. (and most people are not that stupid) they don’t have proof. So our theory now is that the reason Tube didn’t just go ahead and suspend all these accounts is because they truly have no hard solid proof to present.

Which, actually makes this even worse .. so now they tell everybody “You are assumed to be defrauding us..but we can’t prove it, so we will freeze anybody we see fit..” That equals you coming into my store and I stop you right at the door saying “You look like somebody that may shoplift so I rather not let you in” ..without knowing you or having any history with you.

Honestly, this looks like a bailout on Tube’s part, I think the attorney’s where at lunch or golfing. There is no way they would have agreed on making a statement like that, its legal suicide to accuse somebody and flag them for everybody to see as a criminal if you don’t have the proof. I can’t wait for my attorney to get in monday

PS. “YT Timmy” is an idiot who is just a page turner. Note his blog post he gives the YT blog with GB URL (England) so when you follow that you end up YouTube Britain. Another worthless waste on YouTube getting paid when he would do very well at a local Burger King.


CrazyViews
CrazyViews
15/03/2009

UGH .. ok .. about the “Third Party Views” ….
Check a few channels, pick those that have been alive 1-2 days and have 10K+ Views .. when you check the statistics within the video you will see blog posts account for 80-90% of the views. Mysteriously these people made such fab video’s that 8 thousand people saw it in 1 day ..then, you can take this a step further (if you want to be truly amused) ..go check the blogs, what do you find out!? ..they are owned by the uploader or public property where anybody can upload. Then they do the auto-click for a few hours .. get the 8K+ Views ..and THAT will reflect on your Tube views. And so the neurotics get the honors and glitz handed to them on a silver plate by Tube.
..
So the lame sorry excuse that people “game the views” that’s Tubes own fault. Instead of posting stupid messages on the boards all day, why don’t they have morons like “Timmy” go check some of these video’s that pop up under “most viewed” in less then 24 Hours .. he should be able to do that. And what happened to the glorious multi-million dollar “Google Analytics” tool??? It’s supposed to catch abnormal hits like that and flag it to the staff ..Guess it’s the same people that created the rest of the “insight” mess that are responsible. Do you ever get a sense that there should be a mass layoff at Google (Tube)?

autman123 said...

VIEWBOT CREATORS DECLARE WAR ON YOUTUBE

autman123
16/03/2009

YOUTUBE WITH THERE ANTI SPAM PROGRAM HAS OPEN THE DOOR FOR VIEWBOT
CREATORS TO THROUGH GASOLINE ON THE FIRE. THEY KNOW THAT YOU TUBES
PROGRAM WILL FREEZE IF WE GET A LOT OF HITS ALL AT ONE TIME. SO THESE
VIEWBOT CREATORS ARE GOING AROUND AND HELPING YOU TUBE FREEZE EVEN
MORE PEOPLE.THEY WANT YOUTUBE TO SHUT DOWN. IF YOU TUBE HAD NOT
STARTED THIS SO CALLED VIEW FIX
.I DO NOT THINK THE VIEWBOT CREATORS WOULD HAVE SEIZED THIS MOMENT,
BUT WHEN THEY SAW THAT YOU TUBE HAD ITS PANTS DOWN THEY WENT AFTER
THEM.
WITH THE HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC ALONE WOULD SHUT THEM DOWN. BUT GUESS
WHAT VIEWBOT CREATORS.

IF THESE VIEWBOT CREATORS DECLARE CYBER WAR ON YOUTUBE IS THIS NOT A
FCC VIOLATION, AND SHOULD THE FEDS BE INVOLVED ?

OH MAN YOU ARE BUSTED ! ! !

THANK YOU EPONTIUS
FOR FINDING THIS POST. I'M SURE GLAD I FOUND THIS SITE AND STIRRED UP
THIS SEARCH. AUTMAN123

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/youtube/62148-auto-youtube-....

Here are some lines from that site

Default Auto Youtube Freezer Bot
You know since they changed the view count system war with Youtube
started.. To take revenge and to force Youtube to step back many
people here are freezing videos manually.. What about if someone codes
an Auto Youtube Freezer Bot..

Here is what bot should do:

- It will search for new videos on a given keyword.
- It will get the video id's.
- It will send 200-300 views to each video.

That way a single computer can freeze upto 1000 videos/day. If we
spread the program all over we can get hundreds of supporters.. So
Youtube goes into ICE AGE...

What you guys think about this?
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autman123 said...

YOU GOT TO READ HOW STUPID THESE PEOPLE ARE.

Here are some of the reaction comments they got from the blackhatworld
site. After they made this very stupid statement.

Are you guys stupid or what? You don't take out your frustrations on
the people because you will lose everytime. Remember email marketing?
Now the feds are involved and this is a market of history. I may be be
a newbie here but I am no newbie in life.Bh role should always protect
the interest of the little guy and never abuse the little guy.
Remember this well gentlemen...

the feds are going to arrest you for boosting your and other people
views so you dont really know real life then either?

mr. tube you are posting the same message everywhere... I guess you
either for work youtube or a sponsor.

just for your information: increasing the views on videos is not a
crime.. You can refresh any video you like. It is just refreshing web
pages.. It is not hacking.. it is not spam..

Will you arrest me for using the F5 key too much?

lol...

I can make such a software within one day, but you have to buy me a
beer and a peperoni pizza, deal?

I wanna see it all burn to the ground....kill em all!!!!!!!
__________________
Im Punk in Drublic!!!

I don't get the point. How would that hurt y0utube?

that wont hurt YT at all

It would hurt youtube alot actually. Think about it for a second.

A couple hundred people complaining to a website that has 100 MILLION
viewers is NOTHING.

However, if we can get tens of thousands to complain, then they HAVE
to do something about it.

So I'm for this. Someone make the software and pass it around, so we
can all use it on youtube.

guys this would make a perfect tool. Now when you freeze those
hundreds of vids, you will have mega complaints, and if we multiple we
can have a mass complaint deal and youtube will update their system,
Also what ad sponsors look at is youtube rank, when they see youtube
stats dropping viewers they will stop paying youtube knowin they are
losing viewers

I wish to reply to something said earlier.I know many of you may be
kids and may not know the real life laws. Here it goes ,most systems
and software are copyrighted, when a bh breaks the system,he breaks
the law and then passes the information around. When we use the
software we realize the risks which is why we don't use our real names
and we hide behind proxies etc.Please note again some of us are bh in
real life business where we make real money.I just hate to see a bunch
of punk kids mess it up for the real vets on this site etc. who pave
the way for us newbies on the internet. If it was a bunch of vets
talking about tearing the system down...first of all they wouldn't say
a word...they would just shut the whole system down.I see the
reactions from the vets who are basically saying just chill and sit
back.How many times have blogger changed their system?
What did the vets do? They chilled and then made a system to counter
it.Here is your risk..Youtube could say f the view system due to
boneheads rigging up software and messing everybody up.It (youtube) is
free...Now if you are really that mad just pay for the service
otherwise do like the rest of us and shut up,sit back, and chill. Read
an ebook or something,work on other parts of your game,do some pushups
or something,just chill.

I wish to thank the vets on this forum who have made it possible for
newbies online like myself to learn the game, if I have in anyway
offended you I apologize. I just couldn't stand by watching newbies
mess the game up for everyone.We must learn to respect the game and
its players...

Onestop,

I see what you're saying, but I consider myself a Youtube EXPERT. I
made several hundred dollars a day every day until just recently when
Youtube screwed things up. Now my earnings have gone from over $400+
per day to like $50-100. It's a BIG downward jump, so we shouldn't sit
back and do nothing.

Youtube should be responsible for its actions, hence, why all Youtube
blackhatters need to unite and freeze many videos until they get the
point.

Dont be stupid and rock the boat. I agree 100% with onestop. Trying to
bite the hand that feeds you is a very dumb Idea.

Bobbylove321,

You know the rules of the game,they make a system a bh breaks it.
Early in the game you make mad money because the opponent doesn't have
enough money to play defense.ie email marketing was a huge money maker
in the early years before spam guards and federal laws,now look at it.
We get while the getting is good. The VETS are waiting to see the
game...the makers of tubebooster and tube increaser etc. so they can
adjust. U know better than I do that a VET will have a patch on both
of the above basically in no time.Have the talent on this forum ever
failed us?
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I say fuck youtube. Let's fuck it up. No one cares about youTube. Sure
you can make money off of it, but if youTube falls some other website
will take its place..

THIS JUST GOES ON AND ON GO TO:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/youtube/62148-auto-youtube-....
TO HEAR MORE. THIS IS JUST CRAZY

On Mar 15, 11:50 pm, autman123 wrote:

autman123 said...

NOT SURE IF WE SHOULD POST THIS WE DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THEM MORE BUSINESS PLEASE HOLD POST FOR NOW.
LETS SEE WHAT THE AUTHORITYS HAVE TO SAY NEAL

Wolf said...

This seems interesting to me. I wanna see the final output...I ment whos gonna win the race...Lets see ;-)

autman123 said...

I'm Game let's do it.

autman123 said...

To many Youtube Is fun Entertainment,but to many more it is a very
important part of there job, To some it is there job.
These views have real monetary value,and to some it gives them hope
when there is none.
We are faced with probably the hardest economic downfall this country
has ever seen. We need to fight for all the opportunities and small
jobs we can find that are available to us, and try to bring some money
into are homes.

As times get harder opportunities for small jobs will become more
scares. People will fight,claw and battle who ever is in there way no
matter how big and bad they think they are, They will do what ever it
takes to protect and provide for there family's. This is called human
survival and it's been going on for thousands of years.

We will not give up fighting for the ones we love.To some this as a
petty fight but to others this is there life.
WE WILL FIGHT FOR OUR VIEWS

We are not quitters we are fighters. So either join us or get out of
the way,because we are coming and were coming by the 1000's.

We have a god given right to fight for what we believe in.

THIS IS AMERICA.

Anonymous said...

ROFL You guys really think the feds give 2 sh*ts about people artificially inflating youtube views? What are you, 13 years old? There are more important things for the feds to worry about such as illegal weapons being imported into the country, or kilos of drugs. To think they'd waste their time on a youtube views problem is beyond belief. You really should get off your ficticious high horse and stop pretending to be defending youtube because you're really just a NOBODY and there's aboslutely nothing your childish crusade can do to help them

Wolf said...

@Anonymous

I agree with you. Its nothing but childish.

Thanks
Wolf.

BlackPussy said...

Yeah...stop freezing my videos YouTube...want to make $$$ again :D

Anonymous said...

Honestly, i agree with the person that posted anonymously. Law enforcement doesn't give a flying fuck about whatever troubles Youtube is having, they're way too busy trying to catch runaway fugitives and the like. 13? This talk here isn't even 13, maybe 9 1/2ish behaviour. Take off the blindfold and look at stuff that matters, not complaining about how someone blasted you youtube vids while some poor kid in a foreign country is dying of starvation. That's what pisses me off about kids these days, 99.99% of them are incapable of opening their eyes to the rest of the world and bitching about how their parents didn't buy that new cellphone they wanted.
Consider yourselves woken up

Ice Man said...

The view count of my video shown below has been stuck on 201 for about a week now :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3C41gBXJqs

BillGates999 said...

My views stuck on 303 for a week now & it got 12 comments and 6 ratings till then...wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCvgLBE1yxo

autman said...

It could take several day's but you will get most of them back.
You have to wait until Youtube is finished looking for bots and view count accelerator programs that may be boosting up your views.
It sucks but that is what Youtube is doing.
To stop view count fraud.
autman

Anonymous said...

Sigh. same here: stuck at 308 for some time :(

I wonder if thats that for youtube as far as marketing, when you cant count on the numbers they give you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxo4fGkeVx8

autman said...

Company's pay people per view count.
So when people fake or you use a bot program that can give 1000,s of views per day it is cheating them out of money and no one is buying there product.
You tube has a program called Adsences that pays you to put a pop up on your video. It is all about making money for YouTube.

Autman

Frank said...

I am IRATE with Youtube right now because I've been PAYING for clicks via the promoted videos program. So it's been going great until I hit the dreaded 300 views. It stopped at 307 and while I CONTINUE TO PAY FOR CLICKS (since paused it and emailed them that I'll stop credit payment, took screengrabs of everything), they freeze my view count. Here's the deal - if you are saying that clicks I PAID FOR are not legitimate then you cannot charge me for them.

Does anyone else see this as a huge conflict of interest? They cannot police video views and clicks where they themselves are making money off of them. I emailed them and I'll take my videos down... the only reason I did promoted videos is because it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE at this point for a non-gawker type to actually get a video in front of an audience on there. Everything that has come before the last 6 months or so is grandfathered in and has been heavily search indexed, so on certain subjects, of course those videos will get views because they show up. NOW, if you put something up related to, say, aliens or movie trailers or... IDK, cats?, even if you tell all your friends, those views will be investigated. I've done Tubemogul metrics on other users who have RIDICULOUSLY high numbers every day, and you can't tell me that they're policing a video that's in the millions and is getting 30,000+ views per day. BS! Meanwhile, if you have brand new original content, there is no way to get it out there, because unless you have money for a full page ad in the New York Times, who is going to find a video that A) Isn't search indexed (don't even mention sort results by newest) and B) They're going to police whatever views you DO get like a fascist regime! Couple all of this with the fact that YES, they are POLICING VIEWS on PROMOTED VIDEOS, and it's like, ya know what, there is a GIGANTIC GAP that could be filled by a site that does things right and actually supports new original content and voices. They're a joke, and they are gamed mainly by 'famous' bloggers, web series created by large entertainment companies that are all boring as f**k yet somehow have hundreds of thousands of views, and marketers.

They've got one week and then I'm closing up shop and taking it to Break, Mevio, and Vimeo. I'm sure they won't care, but eventually, when enough people realize what a scam that site is and how stale it's becoming... trust me, they will care.

autman said...

Hey I don't blame you.
You Tube only cares about making money.
That is it.

Thanks for your post.

Autman1

The Temporal Guardian said...

YouTube seems to count videos normally up to 300. After that, it will freeze it. What I don't get is WHY they need to freeze the count until the "real" hits catch up to the so-called "artificial" hits? Why don't they just make the "artificial hits" NOT COUNT, and have the "real" hits keep going? Wouldn't that be a MUCH BETTER idea??? You'd definitely get less angry people, that's for sure...

dean said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwBIBFzGGoA
its stuck!!

Anonymous said...

My video views have remained at 301 for about a month now! And I know I've had more views than that because I've had comments from people :(
AND I can't find a link to send an email to under the Contact Us part of Youtube.

GRR!

Anonymous said...

My friends video views froze on both his videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJ4LN-0BDE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrX4QFA0VnE

autman said...

Just give it some time and don't keep looking it up it may think you are over viewing it.
All my videos have froze around the 200 mark.If after 2 to 3 weeks it is still frozen I would re-do it.
Good Luck

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